Rupie begins the statement of his "third premises" [sic]: Let us now examine the third premises [sic]. Is it right to say that there are no morally relevant differences between research involving radically cognitively impaired humans and research involving nonhuman animals? In the next nearly 350 word pile of wheeze, rupie does nothing - *ZERO* - to support his contention that species has no moral relevance. What he does, instead, is belabor what is essentially a straw man argument. He harps about cognition, but at no point does he establish that the implied acceptance of species as a morally relevant distinction by the majority is based on a comparison of cognitive abilities. Then, after this 350-word passing of gas, we come to rupie's - and, of course, the entire "ar" movement's - sniveling, gutless abdication of their intellectual obligation to defend their premise: There is an extensive philosophical literature about this issue. But I think it is at least reasonably clear that if anyone maintains that there is a morally relevant difference between the two cases, the burden is on that person to explain what the morally relevant difference is and why it is morally relevant. Carl Cohen, for example, tries to explain why species membership is morally relevant. I shall not look into the issue further here, but I think it is reasonably clear that there is a puzzle here. First of all, the vast majority of people who accept that there is a morally relevant difference based on species do not do so after having made an explicit statement to that effect. Rather, they accept it because it is the prevailing wisdom - the champion - and they can't see a likely successful challenge to it. And of course, rupie himself acknowledges that at least one professional philosopher who has given a great amount of thought to the issue feels he *can* successfully show that species is morally relevant, but rupie very abruptly gets weak in the knees and meekly whines "I shall not look into the issue further here." The fact is that *whenever* a challenger wishes to knock off a prevailing champion, the challenger must win decisively. rupie and the other "aras" are the challengers in this, and they must *prove* that species difference has no moral relevance; it simply does not work to say that other side hasn't shown that it is relevant.